On Non-Diffusing Subcategories

"I haven't really felt like the places themselves offer movement unless we're just not paying attention in the right way. Well, what do you mean by movement? Yes, it's water moving in these places, it's not that there's some kind of intrinsic instability to a system of dams. It's a system, we're looking at a bunch of systems that are pretty systematic, they're engineered.

Maybe we need to come back to our objects that aren't our objects. What are they? 

Other than, I mean, debris flows. Because we started with inclines and shifting ground and... Oh, right. Rocks. Off kilter. 

We've been driving so much, it's so much about the pavement, but we've also been going up, we've also been going up hills.

Oh, this thing at the Watts Towers with them moving, though, to the sun, it's really interesting.

I kind of just wanted to know about what is the something that's happening and how are they moving or rotating or... I'm just curious, like, it's worth looking into. But then also, the way in which like, okay, there's a funny thing about conservation and plasticity. Right.

And pulling out the things that construction workers in the 70s stuck in. I don't know, that whole thing. They weren't artists.

They just slapped the concrete on and made a new foot and made a new shoe. Did I do this right? I didn't follow directions. That's good. I thought I was going the right way. You didn't follow directions."

*lightly edited AI transcription of conversations while driving around Los Angeles

M&D is Danny Fisher and Marina Peterson